I like the cheapness of certain things, like oil-canning reflections, for example. What is problematic, and I think this is a more fundamental issue, is that design should’t be exclusive. But it’s the opposite of Design Within Reach [the furniture retailer]. The everyday can be thought through in some way that actually heightens experience, so that you become aware of it in some way. I think the challenge now, especially here in the U.S., is that architecture is often the application of expensive materials in some big private place. It sucks if architecture is only a luxury product.

Taken from an interview by Stephen Froese in PIN–UP No. 18, Spring Summer 2015. Portraits by Jeremy Liebman.

SO–IL are Florian Idenburg and Jing Liu, with Ilias Papageorgiou.